Thumbs up for both;>! I'd been a veg seed saver for yrs but never really thought about ornamentals till I had a number of my fav flowers "discontinued" from vendors so now anything that you can't find at a box store I try to save. This yr the 2 I'm esp wanting to are Dara and Knautia. The Dara unfortunately are considered a treat by my local Deer but they seem to leave those umbels that are starting to turn brown so there is hope. The Knautia is a lovely SHORT(most are as tall as I am)Magenta pompom. It's producing seeds but since it's also the only Knautia blooming this yr the seeds might be duds.....
I used to live in nw florida and found that for lot of what most folks consider standard bedding fare you had to start them in Fall(indoors if they were TA's). Works well for Biannuals too!
Cheers,
Pat